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Skia Aumer
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:35:00 -
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I you want to die and have no consequences - go play WOW. EVE is hard.
I'm not happy with this change.
CCP, dont get yourself tricked with those ****-fit rifter roams. They are fun because they dont happen too often.
And PL dudes cheering it? I knew they are all risk-averse and stuff, but this... it's epicness of epicity!
Spending billions just to jump their numerous alts across the Galaxy in pimped supers and economizing some ridiculous 30-50 mil for their clones! OMG, is there even a diagnosis for that? |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:07:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Honestly, what is the worst thing that could happen if you 100% remove the clone upgrade cost and put the location of our respawn when we are podded on a 24 hour cooldown timer so that can't be abused. Seriously, what is the worst that will happen??
The entire player base has fun?
You see, when high-SP and low-SP players are dueling for example, it's obvious that a newer player is in disadvantage - his tank is weaker, guns miss often etc. This is a bit "compensated" by higher clone costs for a veteran if he manages to loose the fight.
Also, EVE is a sandbox and economy should interfere with PVP. You may have heard that miners, manufacturers and other "carebears" are despised by the ilitist breed. Removing clone costs would emphasize that attitude even futher.
And no, the fun is there only when stakes are high.
Did I answer your question? |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:51:00 -
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Roime wrote:There is a hard cap on the advantage from character skills in any given ship.
Which is pretty high. While not that high for frigates, I should agree, but still quite a lot. Me, for example, still dont have good navigation skills while I'm well above 40 mil SP, gunnery is not too strong as well, drones sux, armor tank could be better. And almost zero in leadership - it's not applicable for duels, but deuling was just an example.
Roime wrote:Older players can have max skills in numerous other ships as well, but they don't help one bit in your duel example.
So they can fly a mining barge maybe? Did you read my words after "dueling"? Older players have more possibilities to make ISK, and if they choose not to do that - they should suffer. Sandbox and stuff. |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:56:00 -
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Kossaw wrote:Great start, but Im still not puting a 120m SP character into an interdictor.
Technetium nerf did hit you very hard I see... Poor you, accept my condolence. |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:32:00 -
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nStedt wrote:A step in the right direction CCP. My clone still cost 21mill after the reduction though. Please lower price even more.
Do you know at least why those fees were introduced? |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:51:00 -
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Roime wrote:Older players shouldn't be forced to grind more just for having more SP. Forcing people into PVE, even indirectly, is against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
There are a lot of other ways to make ISK other than grinding. You know why do I laugh at that whiners from PL? Because they make **** ton of ISK doing true old school blob nullsec sov PVP [but for some reason they dont want to spend it for nothing other than buying more titans]. Some goons gank freighters. Some take ransom for not bumping miners. Some excel in market speculations. EVE is a sandbox, I'm telling it the 3rd time today.
Roime wrote:but in the end there's a simple truth in EVE- the more you play, the less time and effort you are interested putting into ISK-making, since the most fun thing you can do in game is the good old ultraviolence.
You would be surprised maybe with my answer, but - yes of course we need a POS revamp!
Seriously, when was the last time industry was looked at by developers? Indeed it's quite outdated part of EVE, but I dont want it to die. I want it to thrive instead, and I want to be engaged in it rather than your ultraviolence. And I know quite a few people that love the industry part too, so it's not only me. |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:57:00 -
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Laveaolous wrote:Not as a disincentive to PVP, which is what it is.
I laugh at people who say "ban suicide gankers, I want a safe place to mine".
I laugh at people who say "free ships and clones for everyone, I dont want to mess with isk making".
Guess why? Because it's sandbox.
Jeez, 4th time in row I have to mention this! |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:54:00 -
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Laveaolous wrote:Now you're just trolling. There is nothing sandbox about taxing a player out of cheap ships and fun fights it is the exact opposite.
I'm not trolling, may be just you dont want / cannot understand my arguments.
I'll try it again but you better read it carefully.
1. New players have disadvantage on field. Older players have disadvantage when upgrading clones. It's not about sandbox, it's just fair.
2. Suppose you have free clones, free ships, alright. How many fun roams would you need to understand that when you dont risk anything - it's not fun at all? It's not about sandbox as well, it's just common sense.
3. Now when a player finds out "omg, I need to earn isk somehow" - that's when he starts to interact with the sandbox. When you have isk, you just go to the market and buy ship, mods etc. But when you need isk - you have to sell something yourself, but you need to acquire it first of all. How? Numerous ways. Mine, explore, build, steal, you name it. Suddenly, the world of EVE is not just a bunch of random people who are targets to shoot. It's a way more complicated and interesting world. But you only see it when you need isk. |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:53:00 -
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valerydarcy wrote:this might sound crazy but you scrubs need to earn some isk
Would you troll your space poor ally mates? Anyway, nice to know there are sane people in PL too. |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
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Posted - 2013.05.16 06:48:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:A small comment on EVE philosophy from me related to some of the conversation in here:
No one here at CCP wants to reduce consequences in EVE as a whole.
Thank you. It's a good news.
CCP Rise wrote:The thing we are looking at with clones, is that currently the consequences are attached to something arbitrary (account age) which is potentially causing people to actually engage in less risky behavior overall.
It's not arbitrary, it's to compensate for difference of new and old players.
And it's natural for most people to be inclined to less risky behavior. Good luck with your 30% experiment, but as long as you can see from the comments here - they always find some new excuse to stay docked: implants for example. |
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